If you’re unsure whether you want air cooling or a liquid-cooled AIO, there are a few things to consider. Air Cooling vs. [–]RuinousRubric[] 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago (0 children). Read: Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M review, Dimensions: 171.45 x 151.4 x 52.3mm | Base Height: 25.1mm | Weight: 36.5oz (1035g) | Fans: (1) 140 x 25mm | Socket Support: AMD TR4, SP3 | Warranty: 6 years. Supercritical is a state halfway between liquid and gas. If you’re unsure whether you want air cooling or a liquid-cooled AIO, there are a few things to consider. My friend got an X62, broke within a year and he’s had an air cooler since. I think it goes custom loop > tower > AIO in aesthetics, for me. [–]diomsidney -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago (0 children). How does the noise compare with a GPU running? Some air coolers even go as far as using fans only designed for that particular cooler, like the DRP4 with its 135mm SW3. Good air coolers are typically a large cube right in the middle of everything and tends to block access to RAM and motherboard headers. I'm all for good AIOs in good builds, but this sounds like a stretch. With slightly better cooling and slightly lower noise than the above Arctic model, Noctua's NH-U12A becomes the premium choice for buyers who aren't afraid to pay big dollars for small gains. No need to buy anything else. Air cooling wins in pretty much every way here. I have the Liquid Freezer 240 and I was able to find the stats that it is able to dissipate 300 Watts TDP. It also does that if you mount the radiator on the exhaust, though. So there was a feedback loop holding the GPU temperature at the safe maximum. Air also doesn't leak and ruin your stuff. BTW have you seen this Bitwit video about radiator placement? But, in terms of aesthetics, I still prefer the AIO solution. In any way. Nah, but it's a thing where he mentions it like every other video where he works with aio's. Best Gaming GPUs The only thing that matters in the efficiency of cpu cooling is the size of the heatsink, which is the limiting step in how efficent the heat exchange is with the air. Per dollar? Remember, the sintering application process itself only works at 800 C in a copper heat pipe. I feel better having direct airflow on the VRM, which tower-style coolers don't provide. Recently we compared 10 of the best CPU air coolers and we've since wondered how these would fare against a water cooling setup. Maybe a topic for another video. [–]mytommy 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (4 children), do u have a video link where he explains this, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). With products like the FUMA around, I have to wonder if AiOs (especially larger 240mm or 360mm models) make sense at all outside of itx builds (or hobbyists wanting supreme performance). To put it into perspective, in the FPU load tests on the overclocked 6700K, it's just 2°C behind the Noctua NH-D15. Might come in the future. It annoys me when systems constantly spool their fans up and down any time there's a load spike. but the one that I have if they can be changed. They do. They are "free" (emphasis on the quotation mark), where do they fit in this? But using a specific case would invalidate the result "even more". Did you watch a different video? [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points 9 months ago (3 children). It's always good to know stuff like this. 2%). As far as I can tell, it's entirely superficial, so not a huge issue. CPU speed won't change unless you get to the ~85C range, which even on an overclocked CPU with a half decent case and cooler is very rare. The NZXT Kraken X62 is an AIO CLC (closed liquid cooler); that's like the iMac. I ran a gen one Corsair H100i from 2013 until last month, when I did a rebuild. Both equally as quiet, imo. And It seems there is not a huge price leap from high end air CPU cooling and the H100.....so are there any benchmark number for H100 Vs Thermalright/Noctua? The Pure Rock 2 represents the same passion around thermal design, silent operation and manufacturing / build quality that has made be quiet! I had to replace the fans about a year ago. True, I was fully expecting 280 CLC to beat a nh-d15 but the noise levels are better than I thought on the liquid side. The value advantage could be important to current builders hoping to save money by using AMD's previous generation 2000-series parts. For the handful of coolers tested, perhaps. This is because unlike in a custom loop, you don’t have a dedicated reservoir so you need to use the radiator as a reservoir. But computers are more than CPU temps and 360 radiator spaces - so there is never a air/liquid answer. [–]indrmln 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). usage CPU temps are a few degrees higher or lower as long as you aren't overclocking? Please refresh the page and try again. This is why I went for an AIO. I also have the H115i Corsair Hydro Platinum AIO unit. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most CLCs require you to use usb header and additional software? Also not everyone really hears pump noise, some one might not hear anything but I hear that really piercing high pitch always. [–]pakeco -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago* (4 children). Considering the CLC 360 is at or near the top of GN's charts, I'd expect the Arctic to easily be number 1. ;), [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (6 children). Both are AIOs ("all in one"). I reach 49c on my 1080 Ti with a Morpheus cooler and two ML120 fans. Can't even imagine why this important fact is entirely omitted from the article... Err where are the cooling performance comparisons.. is this an opinion or marketing piece? And the GPU is the bottleneck most of the time anyway, so using a CLC cooler on the CPU with the fans blowing into the case is suboptimal as well, [–]edernlg 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child). The thing that pushes me away from AIOs is the maintenance / lifespan of them. True but... let's just say that by the time the heatpipe bursts, the pump has 4 life cycles behind it and the liquid is full of algae. Basically, you need to position the AIO such that the highest point of the radiator is higher than all of the tubing and the pump block itself. Not really, or maybe if you prefer the aesthetics of an AIO. That's quite useful. But...how is a radiator adding "further airflow restrictions"? Permeation isn't a concern, related by GN, until at least 6 years. Never took it apart for a new build, only changed my paste 2 times. Air coolers, on the other hand, rely on a nearby higher-flow case fan to avoid re-ingesting their own exhaust or warming other components. [–]fiah84 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (2 children), the target audience who I assume are gamers who overclock should be thinking about how to cool their GPUs, not CPUs. If I recall correctly a question about why cases don't have side intakes nowadays was recently read out on Ask GN and Steve's answer was along the lines of that it was a good idea but it made implementing TG difficult so form above function essentially. Under those condtions, you need to report GPU benchmark results, not temperature. A liquid cooling system is comprised of one or more water blocks, a radiator, a pump, and a small internal fan. This method transfers heat away from the CPU via the coolant, and the … Users who want to post links to their website should be aware of the reddit definition of spam and read this article concerning self promotion on reddit. [–]iopq 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago (37 children), [–]Gaffots 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago (35 children). [–]wankthisway 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (12 children). [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). While keeping your system cool is a good idea, blowing your entire build budget on a cooling solution is not. Wish it wasn't out of stock everywhere. [–]Luxurious_Foam 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago* (4 children). [–]UlrikHD 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (3 children). Overall, for this mini-ITX case (9" by 9" by 4.25" / 23cm x 23cm x 11cm), there was no way to adequately cool a i5-8600K quietly without liquid cooling and I'm not spending $150 on a silly custom loop. Even with air coolers, maybe they can't adapt the mounting hardware due to socket change, maybe the design is outdated, better cooling, etc. [–]Cable_Salad -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (0 children). Once people install a thing, they expect it to work. But yeah poking around the answer appears to be that they last long enough that even embedded systems don't need to worry. Tom's Hardware is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. [–]buildzoid 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago (4 children), [–]jtm94 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (3 children). Best Big Air CPU Cooler: Deepcool Assassin III, Best Mid-size Air CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M, Best AMD Threadripper Air CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S, Best Budget Air CPU Cooler: be quiet! Hey guys, Just looking at cooling options for my new build (i5 3570k CPU & 7950 GPU). Note that DeepCool's AS500 is also an excellent alternative for those who don't quite have the room or the budget for a true big air cooler. But I've not seen 3-5 years for every AIO as some "blanket" rule. The best air cooler vs. the best liquid cooler – analyzed, benchmarked, noise and temperatures tested, and final winner(s?) I just don't trust an AIO to run 24/7 . [–]TrikkStar 24 points25 points26 points 9 months ago (3 children). I'd rather go with air cooling, something like a 50€ Scythe Fuma 2 is already more than you need in a setup like that. And without even touching the scaling for price. That’s the only liquid cooling that will guarantee very low temps over an extended period. Come on, over 28 minutes just to say that air cooling is better (as in the best buy, which is what 99.99999999% of people mean in the computer world)…. So you don't violate the asetek pump block patent. The person that did the testing on there is now doing fan testing for TechPowerUp, which is nice, but gone are the neat comparison graphs and instead, bar charts are used. No, I mean, all the testing is done on open test benches where the fans on the AIO only have to push the air through the rad. Either they want to believe it's a higher failure rate because they have some bias or they're exposed to more media, even including ours, talking about unit failures more than unit successes. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. [–]iopq 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (16 children), Yeah, the environment can hopefully last until we're dead. In a custom loop you can just drain and fix. I used to never turn it off for the longest time - until I put an x62 on my 980ti. Intel CPUs flat out don't care and a 25 to 50 Mhz boost difference on Ryzen might be measurable, but is still functionally equivalent. Often used in sports, [–]RealLifeHunter 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). Pure Rock 2 Enough bloatware everywhere, esp. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Air cooling always wins. that make an air cooler much simpler overall. I’d take the 3M novec cooling solution though. [–]some_craic_dealer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (2 children). Visit our corporate site. In some sff cases, like the SM580, you can achieve GPU temps that are several degrees below an open bench. Liquid coolers, despite having lower failures than what is perceived, will still have higher failures than air coolers. The five components of a water cooling system are: Pump – circulates coolant around the system. If your existing cooler can’t keep your chip’s heat under control, that could mean slower performance and / or a shorter lifespan for your precious processor, and no one wants that. Do the AIOs move the hot air efficiently outside the cage? But be quiet! Best PC Cases It is a scenario of no gpu/gpu load and open bench though so we know AIOs are better then but the video doesn't say how case, gpu load, rad top or front affect the comparison (+ how GPU temps change). Where air coolers run into trouble is the sheer mass of a high performance air cooler, coupled with a potentially fraught installation process. For Threadripper air cooling, this cooler checks all the boxes for enthusiasts and overclockers alike. Really? CPU Cooling benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations. It was pretty noisy though, so I've been happy with my recent switch to air. When mounted as intake, they see room temperature air no matter how hot the inside of the case gets. [–]GreenPylons 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (21 children). AIO sometimes is used incorrectly to mean "CLC", but that's not quite accurate and can cause confusion. Basically, you need to position the AIO such that the highest point of the radiator is higher than all of the tubing and the pump block itself. Best Motherboards [–]GeneticsGuy 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). OC is where water cooling really starts to make a lot of sense and differences become more pronounced. Nothing too surprising. Nothing about "hot water" is going to touch a metallic bond. They mention that liquid cooling is primarily from Asetek/CoolIT, who supply server farms for liquid cooling. A year ago Linus the twat he is put out a video saying AIO are useless and everyone should use AIR. I would like to give it a go some day but I currently have no need to upgrade, so unless a friend wants a hand building in which scenario I would then need to sell them on the idea of not only mITX but a SFF case to boot which brings us back to the cost problem. All the parts are included. That's highly dependent on the economic situation of the person and its usage. Problem with this is that it is not always possible. [–]Luxurious_Foam -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (3 children). don't attempt to saw your heat pipes and don't buy bad cooler with bad heatpipes. For mainstream builds, your exact cooler choice is pretty irrelevant as long as it's a decent cooler. I got inpatient waiting for the GN review, and I ended up switching from an EVGA CLC 360 to the Arctic 360 about a month ago. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Why? Not really, but I had people come to me with failed AIOs that were only 1-2 year old. I can replace a failing/ticking fan on an air cooler (and might even improve the characteristics depending on the model), good luck getting a pump replaced in an AIO out of warranty. The performance will look a lot worse than it did in this testing. There are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a cooling solution for your CPU, but the main factor is clear – performance. Things like the Corsair H100 are examples of these, So that Aurora allows you to swap stuff out. I'm guessing the fans in the radiators have an easier time in the testbench than mounted in a case behind a panel or something. *Fractal uses their lowest tier Dynamic GP fans instead of their only decent Venturi HP fans, beQuiet uses bottom of the barrel Pure Wings instead of Silent Wings, NZXT and EVGA have garbage fans in general. I replaced it because I didn’t have AM4 mounting hardware, and I knew it was probably about worn out. Show me the AIO that you can buy for 45 € (none) and that still works as new after 7 years of operation (none). Because what do you do with that? The company’s pedigree, deeply rooted in performance and quality, are alone enough to draw the gaze of the enthusiasts. The most common failure will be pump failure, but even that isn't that common. This one is pretty clear-cut. 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